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darius
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02/09/2019 6:20 pm  

This stuff really kicked in today from this injections late Saturday evening. Today fear was dramatically decreased, like noticibly for sure. This morning I felt really weird cause I hadn't had Lexapro in a while so I took 1 this morning and I didnt take any more Oxytocin today, (I'll do 3/10th cc tonight IM) and I was helping out at this place, volunteer work, all day. At the place, I felt different, more social, more open, more speaking my mind, anxiety was typical and "normal" as being on or off of this stuff. I could just tell I was different. I also had a couple occasions when I had a sick headache, like a painful one but it only lasted like a couple minutes each time. Then when I was leaving the place I went out the West exit and there was a 10 ft black steel gate blocking me from my car. I guess someone had locked the gate. I saw my car sitting right there and it made no sense to me to walk around (which would have been less than a min or 2), so I jumped the fence by climbing it. I'm 6'3", when I was standing on top of this gate thing I was like 16' high and first of all, if you knew me, I would have never done such a dumb thing, cause of fear. I wasn't thinking at all about the Oxytocin or trying to prove anything, I was just trying to get to my car. When I got to the top, it was a split second decison to get back down on my side or the car's side. It lasted only a split second and I turned around on top of the fence, put my hands on the bar, and lowered myself down with my upper muscles and jumped. So basically I jumped over it, and when I got in my car and was driving away I realized wtf I just did. It wasn't like I was trapped or anything, it was seriously a lack of fear. Then driving home I drove pretty fast, pushing my car on curves, knowing I was on Oxytocin and felt fearless. It wasn't 100% fearless tho, because right when I was almost home there was this red light. I decided to wait till the last second to slam my brakes (I have brembo brakes from a while back when I used to mod up my car) so basically awesome brakes. Right before I got up to the light, it changed green, there were 2 cars in the 2 left lanes and mine was free so I never hit the breaks but hit the gas. Then I see a truck turning thru the intersection, my heart skipped a beat and it was pain in my chest for a second as he slammed his brakes and I slammed mine, but quickly got back on the gas when he stopped. There was fear, but so minimal. After that 1 second it was back to normal when stuff like that usually happens, so close to home, I feel it for a good ways. It was done instantly and became just a thing of the past. This stuff works awesome, but the only shitty thing is when I was in the bathroom this evening, I started shaking my hair with my hands in the empty sink and a ton of hair fell out, like a bunch. If the hair keeps falling out I'm stopping this shit or getting Propecia, cause there is something with Oxytocin that has to do with the prostate/DHT.


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KtotheC
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02/09/2019 6:47 pm  

^ this makes sense, oxytocin significantly numbs the action Amygdala, the part of the brain responsible for fear.

Makes me wanna try this shit so badly. Are there any health studies regarding long term oxytocin supplementation?


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02/09/2019 7:05 pm  

Just ask an enthusiastic masturbator.

Where is RoyHarper when you need him?!?


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02/09/2019 7:33 pm  

oxytocin and DHT? what is the relationship?


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darius
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02/09/2019 7:52 pm  

The more Oxytocin, the more conversion of testosterone to dht. More dht in the prostate > prostate enlargement too. I've read different studies that say this.


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02/09/2019 8:10 pm  
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Darius, you are on so much stuff that I'm not sure your reports will help me conclude anything LOL.

BTW, were you aware of Oxycalm?  http://www.oxycalm.com/sales_us.htm

Oxycalm sounds like junk to me. I have pharmaceutical grade sterile oxytocin. The half life of oxytocin is so fast, like a few minutes, that you'd have to spray that thing in your nose like every 10 min if you wanted fear reduction thoughout the day. I think injecting is the best so far, because it seems to make a bigger difference for me and to last longer, you just have to time it out, cause it takes a while to "kick in".


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eclypz
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03/09/2019 7:10 am  
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Oxycalm sounds like junk to me.  I have pharmaceutical grade sterile oxytocin.  The half life of oxytocin is so fast, like a few minutes, that you'd have to spray that thing in your nose like every 10 min if you wanted fear reduction thoughout the day.  I think injecting is the best so far, because it seems to make a bigger difference for me and to last longer, you just have to time it out, cause it takes a while to "kick in".

I wouldn't say it's junk. I've used it several times and have noticed something similar to what you've described although it's quite a bit weaker. You're basically freebasing something that could otherwise be taken in small doses under the tongue, to speak in metaphor.

I'd love to try the real pharmaceutical stuff. I would also love to try vasopressin.

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03/09/2019 7:37 am  

Is there any non-prescription source for this? Its easily found at vet supply sites, but you need a prescription.


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03/09/2019 7:59 am  

In regards to Darius' oxytocin experiments, I, being similarly interested in the substance, played around wit the substance for a while as well.

My experience has been a bit different than Darius'. I can't exactly figure out his dose-scheme, but i can say that personally, intranasally at anywhere from 5-100 units of the stuff (.1 to 3 ml, or, 1 to like 30 sprays/sniffs or so of veterinary oxytocin), though there is definitely an effect, the stuff never reaches the anxiolytic effect of high-dose ethanol. It also wears off after just a couple of minutes. The weirdist thing that happened was probably when I dosed it while watching requiem for a dream, and though alone in my room with the lights out, and tho the film was getting noticeably more disturbing, nonetheless, the movie lost all ability to frighten me.

I thought about submitting an article to A-Z Steroids on docin' 'tocin, but I guess I'll just reference it here for you guys to see if you like. Check it out:

btw, as for the injections Darius is performing, IM at least, I would imagine the stuff doesn't cross the blood brain barrier. I base this totally anecdotally, as i injected hefty large doses in my quad and felt nothing...then I realized that, "duh," the stuff probably doesn't pass the BBB

EDIT: bleh, i don't mean doesnt' cross the BBB, but that it's not lipid soluble and thus isn't going to ever reach the brain, let alone the bbb...it has to cross the bbb to work intranasally after all.

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03/09/2019 8:16 am  
Posted by: @AlcibiadesDream
sprays/sniffs or so of veterinary oxytocin), though there is definitely an effect, the stuff never reaches the anxiolytic effect of high-dose ethanol.

I think it crosses the BBB, personally, and the feelings are very subtle compared to alcohol induced fearlessness. They're also more beneficial though, because I believe the sense of trust and comfort around people is a higher level state than just bombarding your brain with alcohol. I am thinking of this in terms of gradual resocialization, development of social behavior rather than just short circuiting the whole thing, so it's much more subtle....

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03/09/2019 8:42 am  

Intranasally it crosses the BBB of course. Intramuscularly...I'm not so sure. I suspect no. I'm not a chemist though...lol, I'm right now sitting in a neuropharmacology class at college. I'd raise my hand and ask this very question if we weren't discussing NMDA receptors...

Exogenous oxytocin is a novel and not-fully-characterized agent. That doesn't mean it doesn't have as yet unforeseen consequences. I suspect (going by precedent of basically everything so far that raises mood/lowers anxiety in the brain) that there probably is a negative feedback mechanism similar to alcohol (with hangover/rebound anxiety) that we are not yet perceiving fully. This would be similar to Freud characterizing cocaine, being an early adopter, as "a cure for opiates," and a safe antidepressant, etc. etc.

At the doses I was using at least, a few sniffs each day maybe (and recall that, intranasally, there is less than three minutes of effect each time), no such negative feedback was perceived. This I suspect was due to the relatively low amount of exogenous oxytocin versus endogenous oxtocin i was introducing into my system...

So, in sum, to say that oxytocin is "more subtle" than alcohol, which "short-circuits" the system, is a pretty bold statement to make at this point in our characterization of oxytocin. In that same way I might say that taking testosterone is more "subtle" than taking NO-Explode or what have you for muscle growth. Negative feedback, negative feedback--the roadblock on the way to lasting happiness!


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KtotheC
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03/09/2019 8:59 am  

Well, peronally, I dont see the point of doing something if the effect is only 3 minutes long. Intranasally seems like a complete waste in my opinion.

However, I am now dying to try oxytocin by some other means that isnt so terribley short-lived. Why cant u just cap this stuff and pop it? Does it have to be either injected or sniffed?

Also, if anyone has links regarding health concerns associated with short-term and long-term oxytocin use, I'd much appreciate being linked.


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darius
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03/09/2019 9:28 am  

It gets destroyed very fast in the digestive system when taken orally.


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03/09/2019 9:48 am  

Isn't the dosage also extremely tiny? Like micrograms? Or am I confusing oxytocin, which I know almost nothing about, with one of the other substances I am familiar with with dosages in the microgram range?

If doses were in micrograms, then it would be very difficult to get a properly sized dose unless it was in a form that is designed to deliver the appropriate amount (like a nasal spray).


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03/09/2019 10:05 am  
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Isn't the dosage also extremely tiny? Like micrograms? Or am I confusing oxytocin, which I know almost nothing about, with one of the other substances I am familiar with with dosages in the microgram range?

If doses were in micrograms, then it would be very difficult to get a properly sized dose unless it was in a form that is designed to deliver the appropriate amount (like a nasal spray).

The effects at least as far as oycalm is concerned, lasted about a couple hours. Their preparation might have something to do with it.

As for the small amount needed, the drug you buy with a script comes diluted in a liquid so you would take an insulin pin to get the desired amount, around 20iu.

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